New Triumph Trophy 1200

[R8td-R]

this was just unveiled at Tridays in Austria. What do you guys think?

Specs:

Engine and transmission

Engine: 1,215cc, three-cylinder four stroke. 12 valves, DOHC
Bore x stroke: 85 x 71.4mm
Fuelling: Ride-by-wire fuel injection
Exhaust: Stainless steel 3-1
Final drive: Shaft drive
Clutch: Wet multi-plate
Gearbox: Constant mesh six-speed
Oil capacity: Four litres

Chassis

Frame: Twin-spar aluminium beam
Swingarm: Single-sided cast aluminium with shaft drive
Front wheel: Cast aluminium five-spoke 17 x 3.5in
Rear wheel: Cast aluminium five-spoke 17 x 6.0in
Front tyre: 120/70 ZR17
Rear tyre: 190/55 ZR17
Front forks: WP USD with 130mm of travel and manually adjustable rebound damping. WP USD forks with 127mm of travel and electronically adjustable rebound damping sport/normal/comfort
Rear suspension: WP monoshock with remote oil reservoir, manually adjustable hydraulic preload, manually adjustable rebound damping and 120mm of travel. WP monoshock with remote oil reservoir, electronically adjustable hydraulic preload (1up, 1up+luggage, 2up) electronically adjustable rebound damping (sport, normal, comfort) 120mm of travel
Front brake: Twin 320mm rotors, twin Nissin four-piston calipers. Linked system - Rear brake pedal partially applies front brakes. Non-switchable ABS. Nissin 14mm master cylinder
Rear brake: Single 282mm disc, Nissin sliding twin-piston caliper. Non-switchable ABS
Instrument display: Analogue speedometer and tachometer with multi-function LCD display with ambient light-level compensation. LCD display is for trip info (x2) gear position, fuel gauge, distance to empty, service indicator, clock, ambient temp, frost warning and heated grips/seats display. Dash also features headlight adjustment, hazard warning button, cruise control function. TPMS status, TES status, audio functions

Dimensions and capacities

Length: 2,235mm (87.9in)
Width: 975mm (38.4in)
Height: 1,435mm (56.5in)
Seat height: 800-820mm (31.5 – 32.3in)
Wheelbase: 1,542mm (60.7in)
Rake/trail: 27 degrees, 119mm
Fuel tank: 26 litres (6.9 US gals)
Weight: 301kgs (662lbs)
Pannier capacity: 31 litres each (8.2 US gals)
Pannier max load: 10kgs (22lbs)

Performance

Max power: 134PS/132bhp/99KW @ 8,900RPM
Max torque: 120Nm/89ft/lbs

Features and benefits

Coded key immobiliser.
Ride by wire throttle.
Linked brakes.
Non switchable ABS.
Electronically adjustable screen with memory function.
Sealed, automatically locking storage binnacle with integrated 12V socket.
Underseat storage.
Rider and pillion 12v sockets.
Self-cancelling indicators with manual over-ride.
Cruise control.
Switchable Traction Control – always default to ‘on’.
Dedicated D-lock storage under seat.
Quick release mountings for accessory tank bag.
Dedicated sat-nav mounting point.
Electronically adjustable headlamp.
Centre stand.
Audio system, TPMS, TES, 2x 20 Watt speakers with digital signal processing and three band (bass, mid, treble) equalisation with automatic volume control.
USB port with flash drive and MP3 compatability.
iPhone and iPod compatability.
FM/MW/AM radio with 15 presets per band.
RDS functionality.
TA capability.
Auxiliary input to allow sat nav to be played through speakers.
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR providing output to two headsets using A2DP profile.
Incoming phone call support.
Low voltage detection (automatic shut down to protect battery)

[Falko]

Looks a little bulkier than I'd want, maybe it's just the picture. I ride an FJR and figure that's the crowd they're going after? That size of bike and good passenger capacity, I'd want a bit more power.

[Wanderer]

That is one great looking R1200RT.

[Degsy]

Wirelessly posted

R1200rt made fugly

[Rada]

Looks like a FJR with a mouthful.

[SVenpointsixtwo]

I'll take the Explorer, please. I think the Trophy should have shot at the Concourse14/FJR13, rather than the Goldwing....

[Tricklidz]

Wirelessly posted

R1200rt made fugly

Thought the same thing, Degsy, when I see it in Blue, saw a silver one eariler and it screamed Police Bike!! I guess they have lost their indentity!

[mojobreakfast]

This isn't a bad effort. It puts Triumph in the big displacement sport touring segment (FJR, etc). I don't see anything particularly revolutionary about it, though. Kinda "meh". I guess realistically, this is a Tiger Explorer in a different package. I can't really pinpoint why the TE seems full of win but this seems just blah.

Edit: I guess I would say it's just the rather underwhelming styling that kind of tempers is.

[Kenn157]

So glad I got the Explorer. Adventure Touring at its best!

[SprintPoser]

Nice, but needs Jenny Craig plan and a P90X program for less weight & more muscle.

[R8td-R]

a whole insanity workout

[Garandman]

So glad I got the Explorer. Adventure Touring at its best!

OT but if you can ride that bike on trails, then of all the GS, GS-A, S10, etc riders I know you will be one of two. Just sayin'. They travel in packs because it usually takes 2-3 guys to pick one up off a trail.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...test-part-one/

Tough bikes for Suburban Adventurers - NY Times article

BY the laws of probability, you wouldn’t expect many Timbuktu-bound motorcyclists to begin their world tours from your local Starbucks parking lot. But that’s where you’re likely to see their circumnavigation-ready machines, just about any Sunday morning, in just about any blue-state suburb from Scituate, Mass., to Santa Monica, Calif.

....These bikes look ready to powerslide the Siberian Road of Bones, ford Chile’s Bio-Bio River or go mano-a-horn with an enraged Namibian rhino. In reality, their riders are probably lawyers, creative directors and investment bankers, headed out for nothing more exotic than Sunday breakfast. A life-threatening breakfast, to be sure, including eggs with actual yolks, caffeinated coffee and even pork-based cured meats.

Doesn't mean they're not good bikes.

[Chippertheripper]

[WordTooYoMamma]

I am with you. Its like one step away from looking like those s650cc scooters.

[Garandman]

Hell For Leather has an article.

....That incredibly conservative styling is indicative of common practice in the touring market. Going on sale in January, 2013, the Trophy will go head-to-head with that BMW, the Yamaha FJR1300, Honda ST1300 and Kawasaki Councours 14. For some reason we call those bikes “sport tourers” here in the home of long, straight highways; the rest of the world just calls them what they are: touring bikes.

....Weighing 662lbs (wet), the Trophy is nearly 100lbs heavier than that BMW, 20lbs heavier than the FJR, but 20lbs lighter than the Kawasaki and 70lbs lighter than the Honda.

So how’s yet another shaft-drive tourer going to compete in that market? If recent hits from the British brand like the Triumph Tiger 800 and Tiger Explorer are anything to go buy, it’ll do so with subtle capability, feature content and price. The Tiger 800, for instance, looks eerily similar to the BMW F800GS, but starts at $1,300 cheaper and is a substantially better motorcycle once you get away from the spec sheets and into the real world.

....Only the feature-heavy SE version of the Trophy will go on-sale in America. It includes all those features listed above, as well as standard panniers.

[SprintPoser]

It's heavy, but they did load it up pretty good with features that its competitors only have as add-on options or aftermarket farkles.

I know I wouldn't be fan of trying to look through my forearm to see the the mirrors, so there's one thing I wish they hadn't copied from the R1200RT.

[TheIglu]

We'll see how the seat is.

[R7]

1. That thing has looks only a mother could love!

2. You sure to pimp a lot of shit you sell here! Of course I'm sure you have read.... http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/...rum-rules.html and may be simply trying to "skirt" around the edges?

this was just unveiled at Tridays in Austria. What do you guys think?

Specs:

Engine and transmission

Engine: 1,215cc, three-cylinder four stroke. 12 valves, DOHC
Bore x stroke: 85 x 71.4mm
Fuelling: Ride-by-wire fuel injection
Exhaust: Stainless steel 3-1
Final drive: Shaft drive
Clutch: Wet multi-plate
Gearbox: Constant mesh six-speed
Oil capacity: Four litres

Chassis

Frame: Twin-spar aluminium beam
Swingarm: Single-sided cast aluminium with shaft drive
Front wheel: Cast aluminium five-spoke 17 x 3.5in
Rear wheel: Cast aluminium five-spoke 17 x 6.0in
Front tyre: 120/70 ZR17
Rear tyre: 190/55 ZR17
Front forks: WP USD with 130mm of travel and manually adjustable rebound damping. WP USD forks with 127mm of travel and electronically adjustable rebound damping sport/normal/comfort
Rear suspension: WP monoshock with remote oil reservoir, manually adjustable hydraulic preload, manually adjustable rebound damping and 120mm of travel. WP monoshock with remote oil reservoir, electronically adjustable hydraulic preload (1up, 1up+luggage, 2up) electronically adjustable rebound damping (sport, normal, comfort) 120mm of travel
Front brake: Twin 320mm rotors, twin Nissin four-piston calipers. Linked system - Rear brake pedal partially applies front brakes. Non-switchable ABS. Nissin 14mm master cylinder
Rear brake: Single 282mm disc, Nissin sliding twin-piston caliper. Non-switchable ABS
Instrument display: Analogue speedometer and tachometer with multi-function LCD display with ambient light-level compensation. LCD display is for trip info (x2) gear position, fuel gauge, distance to empty, service indicator, clock, ambient temp, frost warning and heated grips/seats display. Dash also features headlight adjustment, hazard warning button, cruise control function. TPMS status, TES status, audio functions

Dimensions and capacities

Length: 2,235mm (87.9in)
Width: 975mm (38.4in)
Height: 1,435mm (56.5in)
Seat height: 800-820mm (31.5 – 32.3in)
Wheelbase: 1,542mm (60.7in)
Rake/trail: 27 degrees, 119mm
Fuel tank: 26 litres (6.9 US gals)
Weight: 301kgs (662lbs)
Pannier capacity: 31 litres each (8.2 US gals)
Pannier max load: 10kgs (22lbs)

Performance

Max power: 134PS/132bhp/99KW @ 8,900RPM
Max torque: 120Nm/89ft/lbs

Features and benefits

Coded key immobiliser.
Ride by wire throttle.
Linked brakes.
Non switchable ABS.
Electronically adjustable screen with memory function.
Sealed, automatically locking storage binnacle with integrated 12V socket.
Underseat storage.
Rider and pillion 12v sockets.
Self-cancelling indicators with manual over-ride.
Cruise control.
Switchable Traction Control – always default to ‘on’.
Dedicated D-lock storage under seat.
Quick release mountings for accessory tank bag.
Dedicated sat-nav mounting point.
Electronically adjustable headlamp.
Centre stand.
Audio system, TPMS, TES, 2x 20 Watt speakers with digital signal processing and three band (bass, mid, treble) equalisation with automatic volume control.
USB port with flash drive and MP3 compatability.
iPhone and iPod compatability.
FM/MW/AM radio with 15 presets per band.
RDS functionality.
TA capability.
Auxiliary input to allow sat nav to be played through speakers.
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR providing output to two headsets using A2DP profile.
Incoming phone call support.
Low voltage detection (automatic shut down to protect battery)

[nhbubba]

Weight: 301kgs (662lbs)

Same problem as all the rest, IMO; too big and heavy!

I wonder what a sport-touring version of the Tiger 800 would work out as?

[markbvt]

Same problem as all the rest, IMO; too big and heavy!

It's a Goldwing/K1600GTL-style touring bike, not a sportbike. All things considered, it's actually relatively light compared with its competition.

I wonder what a sport-touring version of the Tiger 800 would work out as?

I don't really expect to see one. Too much overlap with the road version of the Tiger 800 and, of course, the Sprint GT (though rumor has it the Sprint may be going away).

--mark

[SprintPoser]

I think it could grow on me as a touring bike, though it will be a few years before I'd be looking at bikes for that purpose. For the time being, my Tiger 800 ABS roadie *is* my "sport-tourer" just the way it is. Once I add the top box, heated grips and perhaps handguards and fog lights, and the Michelin Pilot Road 3's, the transformation from "adventure" bike to small sport tourer will be complete.

[nhbubba]

Right on!

Let's coin a new term: naked sport-tourers.

The idea of a 7-900cc sport touerer that skimps on plastic and comes with heli-bars pre-installed works for me. Even if I have to grind through a set of "dual sport" rubber to mount up "sport touring" rubber and get on with it.

(Incidentally, I just put Pilot Road 3's on my V-Strom a couple weeks ago.)

I don't really expect to see one. Too much overlap with the road version of the Tiger 800 and, of course, the Sprint GT (though rumor has it the Sprint may be going away).

No doubt. But 1050 is too big. 800 I (think I) will take. ... Although there isn't much wrong with the 'road going' Tiger 800 from where I sit these days.

[SprintPoser]

You'd be welcome to try a spin on my Tiger 800 sometime.

[Garandman]

/
Let's coin a new term: naked sport-tourers.

The idea of a 7-900cc sport touerer that skimps on plastic and comes with heli-bars pre-installed works for me. Even if I have to grind through a set of "dual sport" rubber to mount up "sport touring" rubber and get on with it./

You mean like the shaft drive Honda NT700V?



Or the 1980's Honda CX500? Or Pacifica?

Popular in Europe, people here stay away in droves. Don't think they will take off until gas prices here are much higher. Those bikes have 6-7 gallon tanks so they can still do 200 miles.

The Trophy 12000 is aimed directly at the BMW R1200RT. Triumph usually doesn't take on the Japanese directly: they usually target a popular BMW model and make it a little more sporty and a little less expensive. Most of the people who buy European bikes are usually looking for "something different" - they don't want an HD or UJM. This is pretty smart marketing on Triumph's part as they can make a profit at moderate sales volumes. Triumph has also taken some risks that panned out, such as bringing a naked to the US: the Japanese don't usually bother.

The Tiger 800 and Explorer could not be aimed more directly at the BMW F800 series or R1200GS if BMW made them themselves. They play on the prominent historical market position of Triumph in the US. Don't forget that Marlon Brando and his boys rode Triumphs in "The Wild One." It was the first US motorcycle movie in which the brand names were not blanked out, and in fact the Thunderbird Brando rode belonged to him.

I bought the Tiger 1050 because I wanted something upright and sporty with ABS. It's a bit lighter and more powerful than the BMW R1200R and the suspension is more easily tuned. It's my 10th bike and 6th brand.

[SprintPoser]

Well stated.

You will also find your Tiger 1050 ABS to be quite a bit smoother than an R1200RT.